luke 1: 17 nwt also he will go before him with elijah's spirit and power, to turn back the hearts of fathers to children and the disobedient ones to the practical wisdoom of righteous one, to get ready for jehovah a prepared people.
malachi 4:5 nwt "look!
i am sending to you people elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of jehovah.
Luke 1: 17 NWT Also he will go before him with Elijah's spirit and power, to turn back the hearts of fathers to children and the disobedient ones to the practical wisdoom of righteous one, to get ready for Jehovah a prepared people.
Malachi 4:5 NWT "Look! I am sending to you people Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.
seems michael moore was using some of the same tricks the watchtower uses (taking quotes entirely out of context).
interesting...makes you wonder what else was misrepresented in the film.. coffee injured vet sues michael moore for $85 million.
jon keller.
Well, you that know me...know I adore Michael Moore and am sure he's innocent....
this one is for the politically correct crowd: .
is there no 'absolute truth'?
do you want to live that one out?
Hello Rex... I don't think you are a fundy... because you don't want to see a babies brain, smashed and his brain sucked you..
Nor because you don't want to see anything goes.. I'm happy you spoke your mind. You just want to see structure and morals...
Respectfully, STAR
i was thinking of (just popped into my head)..of 2 bible stories.
1. daniel 6 the story of the king, who had to throw daniel into the lions pit, but was very unhappy about it.
anyways...daniel lived and the king threw the conspirators against daniel into the pit and they gobbled them up before they hit the bottom of the pit.
Hello guys and Black Swan:
Oh, I think I see what you are saying. The story about the 2 kings who couldn't stop the persecutions for legal reasons..I think explains how Jeh. can help us with our trials, even though, at this time, he can't actually, miracleously dismiss them. I think it applies to all faithful people, not just me.. or a certain situation...
1. God will send angels...
2. He will help us be armed to fight ...
the witnesses understanding of this scripture was one of the things that i could never grasp.
"28 do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
they believe that the resurrection is the upcoming resurrection, but because death cleansed the resurrected ones of sin, it would be pointless to judge them on their past deeds, so "did good things" actually refers to what they did after their resurrection, and the judgement comes at the end of the 1000 years.
So, bottom line:
We are not acquitted of our sins by a physical death...right?
the witnesses understanding of this scripture was one of the things that i could never grasp.
"28 do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
they believe that the resurrection is the upcoming resurrection, but because death cleansed the resurrected ones of sin, it would be pointless to judge them on their past deeds, so "did good things" actually refers to what they did after their resurrection, and the judgement comes at the end of the 1000 years.
"28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. "
Yes, absolutely, agreed..This has always been something I disagreed with in the back of my mind.
Lookie here: Rom. 6:7 NWT "For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin."
A friend showed me that, the context is not literal death..Rom. 6:4 'therefore we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that, ........
Not literally buried in the flesh but as far as having our old personality impaled with him..
i have been trying reading crisis of conscience and i found a very interesting point that i thought i would share with you.
on page 234 of the book it is talking about the after effects of 1925 coming and going with the failed prediction that the faithful men of old would be resurected that year and they would be princes of the earth.
of course in the watchtowers famous "way" they put all the blame on the readers instead of on those who wrote the material.
What I don't understand, is why, when they know, some of their ideas could be wrong, do they d'f you for believing different..????
I guess the answer is they want complete control...right?
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can anyone guess what this is a"thrilling" book is about.....the end is "here" (tm)...so be good so you can make it to the other side of armageddon per the wt, maybe...all the bs that fits in 192 pages...a copy and paste job for sure.... proandcon
Thanks for the info...if you find out more about the book... appreciate more info.. Why, ? I know it's gonna be the same unlightened material... oh well...
i was thinking of (just popped into my head)..of 2 bible stories.
1. daniel 6 the story of the king, who had to throw daniel into the lions pit, but was very unhappy about it.
anyways...daniel lived and the king threw the conspirators against daniel into the pit and they gobbled them up before they hit the bottom of the pit.
What amazes me is that people just accept there are multiple fulfillments of prophecy. What scripture supports that assertion?
Hey there: Paul himself started the typ vs. anti typ thing.. note here:
Gal. 4:22 For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl irl and one by the free woman.....vs. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama, for these women mean 2 covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth chilren fo slaver, and which is Hagar. Now this Hagr means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children..............etc.
Heb. 6:20 Jesus, who has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever.
Also, in Heb. 8 and 9. The whole chapters are talking about the symbolism.
Heb. 8:5 but which men are rendering sacred seervice in a typical representation and a shadow of the heavenly things; just as Moses, when about to make the tent in completion, was given the divine command: For says he: "See that you make all things after their pattern that was shown to you in the mountain. etc,,,,,
romans 1:25: they exchanged the truth of god for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the creatorwho is forever praised.
amen.
do you all agree that the purpose of sacred texts is to bring believers closer to god?
Dear Parakeet.
Interesting thoughts...about the bible, itself, actually being an idol. I am finding out that some things in the bible have been tampered with through the years, and mistranslated. I think that when we read it, we must be open-minded to the idea, that it could have been tampered with.
But I do think the original bible is from God. I believe the WT society is a 'golden calf' in the fullest sense of the word. The story of the the Isrealites making a 'golden calf' because Moses was delaying...and calling it, 'a festival to Jehovah'.. Sounds exactly like the WT to me.
